This interview, hosted by the ЧайКО podcast team, is a bold, honest, and engaging conversation on how people actually grow into leadership – not through titles or quick promotions, but through discomfort, feedback, systems, and meaningful reflection. I share stories and insights from my years of experience as a trainer, executive coach, and international HR expert, working with top leaders across the Caucasus, Gulf, Central Asia, and Europe.

The topics include: HR’s evolving role, why many trainings fail to shift mindsets, how real career orientation works, and why continuous learning must be grounded in purpose. It is an inspiring episode for anyone serious about leadership development, culture change, and the future of people management.